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at_leo_87

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ok guys, im dorsum with some other question. this is part of my on going "how much to accuse for a ..." serial. what's a skillful rate for restaurant gigs per person? _____________________________

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Pimientito

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RE: how to much to charge for a residual... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Always a catchy i. You certainly deceit charge as much as a nuptials (unless its for a one off wedding party at the restaurant). The restaurant is going to want you equally cheap as possible to effort to bring in more clients and brand a turn a profit. It depends on how expensive the place is, how many times a week they want you to play, how long they want yous to play and how far away it is. When I was doing restaurants a few years ago I charged 90 Euros a night. That was for playing 3 half 60 minutes/40 minute sets with a couple of breaks. The affair was is was just downward the route and I was playing 2 or 3 times a week so it added up to a adept amount and I still had fourth dimension to do weddings and stuff with dancers on weekends If they plan on making a regular matter y'all can always practice the first couple weeks a bit cheaper and see if they go more than clients. For a 1 off gig you need to accuse around 120 bucks plus your travel costs. You can always reduce information technology down a chip if they complain. I wouldnt propose that you lower your toll to less than effectually 100 if y'all want to be taken seriously. The other practiced matter about restaurants is that it is a nifty way to sell your CDS. You can often make more selling a dozen CDs than what the place pays you so you have to counterbalance it all up. If its close by and they are feeding yous, but they only offer fourscore bucks, merely yous are selling a few CDs and you are there twice a week then it might exist ok. I call back you lot could charge more though in the correct identify though and probably with the lack of flamenco guitarists in Boston you could strike a skilful bargain with the right place. In one case they come across more clients coming in they will expect after you a lot. Lastly playing regular gigs is the best style to better. Its absolutley no shame to exist playing in restaurants initially. A year of doing that a couple times every week will actually turn you into a professional performer. The downside is that people will exist talking while yous play. You take to learn to shut that out and perform while all the distractions of nutrient, waitresses, children and people coming to talk to you is going on. _____________________________ Follow my blog http://pimientito.wordpress.com/ "Ceremonial" by Mark Shurey "Pimientito". CD and digital download vailable on Amazon and CDbaby. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/markshurey

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Chiste de Gales

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RE: how to much to charge for a rest... (in reply to at_leo_87)

A bit of a warning on this topic: Theres an excellent player in town with decades of experience, and has studied with Juan Serrano- even goes to Espana every summer for studies. So I respect his advice: He told me and some other players a long fourth dimension agone that he discovered how bad information technology is to perform as groundwork music- normally the type of gig would be restaurants, parties, receptions, etc. He explained that the lack of attending the group gives to your playing makes y'all finish caring about details/precision/technique and you tin go a worse player. His communication was to only play gigs where you are either on-stage or clearly in front of the crowd gaining the most attending.

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Ricardo

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RE: how to much to charge for a rest... (in respond to at_leo_87)

If you take a group with dancers etc, no less then 100 per person. If you are solo, no less then 250 I think, based on a few years ago. Problem is I am non sure how things are going now a days with the bad economy. Could be some good artists are charging less considering people are not paying anymore. It is important to have some standards though. Cheque with someone you know in the musician'due south union what is the rates nowadays. _____________________________ CD's and transcriptions available hither: world wide web.ricardomarlow.com

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at_leo_87

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RE: how to much to accuse for a rest... (in reply to at_leo_87)

hey guys, thanks for the replies! quote: The other proficient thing about restaurants is that it is a cracking style to sell your CDS. well, i dont have a cd however, but maybe when i render to granada one of these days... ok, so a flake more info. in that location's one regular gig that i go every two weeks. information technology'southward a pocket-size, intimate restaurant. 20 minutes abroad. x if i'm already in town. we play 2 40-lx minute sets with a i hour break in between with free food and drinks. if it's a duo, we become 100-150 each. with the four of us (which is crazy, imo) it drops down to seventy. at present there'southward a new restaurant that just opened up, an hour away. he wants 3 hours of music. we get a short intermission every hour. trouble is, he has a total budget of 150 a night.... the merely matter that appeals to me is that i'll get more experience and i call up at that place'due south a potential to build that place up and go paid improve as well. exercise yous guys think information technology'south worth information technology? quote: If you are solo, no less and so 250 I think, based on a few years ago. damn, i'd exist happy to go that. _____________________________

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gj Michelob

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RE: how to much to charge for a rest... (in reply to at_leo_87)

http://www.gigmasters.com/Search/Classical-Guitar-New-York-City-NY.html the referenced site provides (quite optimistic) toll-ranges for classically trained guitarists (in diverse Cities, abreast the page on NYC which I linked). My suggestion is to price party/eating house gigs on hourly rates. I has to be honest about the quality of services he will deliver, nevertheless aware that under pricing my (unfairly) compete with other musicians. If you can deliver "concert" quality, than one should marketplace himself accordingly, only adapting value to the venue and circumstances (playing as groundwork music at a eatery, equally the "unforgettable" soundtrack for the helpmate walking the church building'south aisle, as special entertainment for a dedicated time, or a concert). Taking what the employer tin offer, at times, is the sole answer, but i should creatively sanction the principle of what he would be entitled to, otherwise, to avoid beingness underestimated. Nutrient and beverages at the performance or perhaps a bottle of wine for each could add nicely to the wages. But if you charge $100 hourly and are offered to play iii hours at $100, as insignificant as it may seem, I would stress, if accepting, that the additional unpaid two hours are a gift considering of (i) the gracious manner you were asked (2) the wonderful location (iii) your charitable inclination for that particular event (wedding ceremony), etc. As At_Leo points out, in that location is additional enrichment one gains through the experience and the exposure gigs afford to Musicians. A value which must exist considered, when tempted to turn down any appointment. _____________________________ gj Michelob

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Escribano

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RE: how to much to charge for a residue... (in respond to gj Michelob)

To backup gj's signal: are y'all going to be earning anywhere else in those other 2 hours of the iii? Start small, build a reputation. Reputation and with information technology, contacts, is priceless. In the UK, the Musicians' Matrimony publish a minimum rate. Before midnight: appointment of upwardly to 2 hours elapsing, a minimum payment of £56.50. For engagements of over two hours and up to 3 hours a minimum payment of £68.00. _____________________________ Foro Flamenco founder and Admin

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Ricardo

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RE: how to much to charge for a residual... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote: at present there's a new restaurant that merely opened up, an 60 minutes abroad. he wants 3 hours of music. we get a short break every 60 minutes. trouble is, he has a full budget of 150 a dark.... 3hrs of flamenco??? Solo guitar background, that coin is ok for an hour at well-nigh IMO. I would not have to play that long if that is the true budget. Guitar duo for $250 playing that long is more than like it. I exercise flamenco trio for $300, two sets of 30 min. There was a budget for merely $200 an off day and they wanted the same merely simply i long set. I agreed simply for but ii people, one guitar and 1 dancer one set.... So try to negotiate. Instead of audition, do the gig one time merely at that toll and say if they like information technology they either take to pay more or you lot play less. Ricardo _____________________________ CD's and transcriptions bachelor hither: world wide web.ricardomarlow.com

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KMMI77

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RE: how to much to accuse for a balance... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote: now there's a new restaurant that but opened up, an hr away. he wants iii hours of music. we go a brusque break every 60 minutes. problem is, he has a total upkeep of 150 a night.... the but thing that appeals to me is that i'll go more experience and i think at that place's a potential to build that identify up and get paid meliorate likewise. do you guys think it's worth information technology? This sounds like a actually bad deal, 2 hours travel, setting up the pa then iii hours with brusque breaks for $150. Is he expecting a duo and dancer for this? I would only exist offering solo guitar for 2x40 min sets max, that'south if they offer it as a regular gig. And so explain that you volition be giving preference to higher paying gigs when they pop up. Call up that you lot can learn anyones task in the restaurant in a curt amount of time. It takes thousands of hours,years to do yours. _____________________________

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Pimientito

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RE: how to much to charge for a remainder... (in reply to Ricardo)

I concord. The last deal is besides trivial. Although the feel is skillful, you lot will notice the novelty of working as a musician wears off quite quickly and you are stuck in very poorly paid task. I tin only go by prices in Europe simply i call back its optimistic to expect 250 dollars for a eating place gig playing solo unless you have been booked for a wedding. If the commencement restaurant are paying 300 for a duo and prepared to feed you too then that sounds good. for the second one I agree with Ricardo that three hours of playing ie 3x45 minute sets for 150 is Ok if its solo but if he wants a duo or a group you need at least 100 per person plus travel. 1 60 minutes driving plus setting upwards sound, plus strings, plus iii hours work plus some other hour driving for 75 dollars... after costs that makes about 12 dollars per hour. _____________________________ Follow my blog http://pimientito.wordpress.com/ "Ceremonial" by Mark Shurey "Pimientito". CD and digital download vailable on Amazon and CDbaby. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/markshurey

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at_leo_87

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RE: how to much to charge for a rest... (in answer to at_leo_87)

hey guys, i really appreciate your input! i guess this part of the game... learning how to hustle and negotiate. im going to do as ricardo suggested and just play in one case and get from at that place. i really like this way of thinking... quote: It takes thousands of hours,years to do yours. quote: Come on down Antonio, we would be happy to help ok but starting time, nosotros accept to get some of those mussels and fried eggplants for inspiration. one more question: if i'm just there on site should i get paid? say i just play for ii hours but i have to stay on site for four hours, should i go paid for those other two where im just hanging out? _____________________________

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Pimientito

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RE: how to much to charge for a rest... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote: if i'grand merely there on site should i go paid? You should...but yous probably wont. Hanging about is an occupational hazzard for most musicians so thats why you need to make certain you are paid properly when you are playing. Part of the "hanging around fee" tin can exist covered by travel expenses and PA hire. Just retrieve of the overall fee as a days wage. _____________________________ Follow my blog http://pimientito.wordpress.com/ "Ceremonial" past Mark Shurey "Pimientito". CD and digital download vailable on Amazon and CDbaby. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/markshurey

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at_leo_87

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RE: how to much to accuse for a rest... (in reply to Pimientito)

cheers marcos! im learning a lot and i think im starting to develop the proper mindset for this. _____________________________